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| 2008-12-02 14:54:51.0 | I got interested by Bruce's plot of PG email traffic here http://momjian.us/main/img/pgincoming.gif and decided to try to extend it into the past. The data I have available is just my own incoming mail log, but being a pack-rat by nature I have that back to April 1998. Attached is a graph of Postgres list messages per month since then. I should note that this covers only the mail lists I'm subscribed to, which has been most of them since about 1999; but the first few numbers in this chart are undercounts by comparison. Also, the very last dot is month-to-date for November and so is an underestimate. So, to a first approximation, the PG list traffic has been constant since 2000. Not the result I expected. regards, tom lane â?°PNG IHDR â?¬ à ªáI .tEXtSoftware gnuplot Unix version 3.7 patchlevel 04Â¥Å? qIDATxÅ?Ã�MoÃ?Ã?}ªnÃ?¨a}â?? ¤FãÃ?Ã?¡@M â?¡lO`(vÃ?Ã?²à Ã?žC¹E Ã?â?¬s*Tx0bµ â�â??Æ?NBNÅ? *Ã?¶ Å? T$Fu:\îLwvgvgg_æÃq+Ã?û VÅ?åòÃ?ÿ<3;/Ã? W(°]èâ?¬ °ž5à ò*�Ã?¿1�+o :ã0 üjãwÃ?>Ã?|�üðÃ?Sú³K/ÿ{ü9yøKôlüñO>r.Ã?Ã?Žö ¬SOçôÃ?qDÃ?FË?¼»�'£â?¡Â·Å?Fâ?¹Fxeâ?¢Ã?§ ðµ+7Ÿî�oJ'£Ã?áÃ? Ë?ïîc4%1â?¢Ã?k4Ã?^ #ònÃ?â?¬_ºâ??ïÃ?Ã?ðâ?¡Â«Ã?�E´wñòÃ? Ã? �â?¡oÃ?Ã?xpâd6â??'iâ?°Â·â?º8â??§ @këâ?¬ Ã? ¸Ã?8 믳 FÃ?7Gúëlâ?¬ï¿½Ã?öA�Ã?Ã?7â? äÅ?¤ ]Ã?%I§�c:Â¥(=D4$4=Ë?Ã?Iâ??ŸNÃ?�òâ?¦Ã©â?¢Ã¬Ã?¹ð!(�â?¢r¹QBrÃ?â?°PNâ??Ã?Ã?¹8fõð¼Ã?ÂvÃ?Ã?;`´Ã?Ã?Ã?4pâ? â?¬ï¿½Ã Ã?}Ã?l °vÃ?â??DÃ?@â??��q WîÃ?V;'Ã?â??Ã?éÂ'�¦pHà úÃ?>(�Ã?n Ã? �¤AÅ?ø9 bÃ?XÃ?Ë?û0z]Ã?ô¬WìøÿÃ?Ã?¯ý�GÃ?Ã?¡;Ã?žuWÃ?Ã?Ã?¹û°µGvÅ?a�Ã?@Ã?Ã? Ë?¡�Z;Ã?Ã?94ð8â??â??+ô÷aXOu¦÷!öÃ?!(Ã?[aÃ?\Ã? f Hòv Ã?(Å?â??èâ?¢b' VÃ?]`Ã?w*Q+C`)Weâ?¦"®6µâ??üž].|(îù)LOJGJ·¬â?¬ÂµÃ¯.Jëpv â?¦Er"ñÃ?^â??²óaÃ?�?Ÿ(Ã?R·õÃ?'ù«D[ Ã?½#õ ;à ¼P¸â?¢dA§Ã?Ã?%VÃ?£Ã?â?¡{Iö'z*â??ôLâ??ì/Ã?H9+â??³¼ Ã?Ã?FK Ã?â?°"ûbÃ?Ë?Â�ªMÃ? / ¢ùÃ?Ã?^>Ã?Ã?fôâ?¢5z�a®j«8Ã?îö\al;¸Ã?Å ;/fÃÃ?è{» Ã?Ã?Hn¢=Ã?â6·-Æ?LÃ?},Ÿâ?¢Ã?çÃ?%ÃÃ?°0Ã?*O1òŽ@Ã?â?°aa¬Fâ??'AùòEÃ?N �¥zPÃ[nõ°yÃ?Ã?Ã?¼à ãl^ðiFJºqÆ? )p¦¤÷j®±Nâ??ôVÃ?5VÃ?â?¢â??ç/}�â??Å?ç~Å?<�¥<Ã?jF8Ã?@Yá¤aâ??£Ã?Ã?�²güšJÃ?)Ã?Ã?Ã?+¶â?¬Wêâ?º `ê¾g©RwË?Ã?â?¬Å >Ã? XQòîiË?Ã?â?¬ÂµÃ· S8Ã?nÃ?²¡ìcÃ? â??#CYn¬i³â{AP¤�Pâ? ü£úöâÃ?52¤Š¦â?¢â?¢Ã?_Pññ}¨»Ã? EçÃ?êÃ?¯Ã?W¡<¨#iq¨[òL²Ã?ù'é«~9 )¾Ã?(|¸wñF G+Ã?à Ã?½cXÃ?Ã?¡hxúÃ?°Ã?RanG¢i k¾Ã?8W;¬Ã? M+¶Ã?Â¥zMÃ?Xnsæ¥â??NÃ?r«(U$W`¹Ã? ¶òOâ? Å Ã?¢Ã?ù'ûŠâ?¹Ã?Ã??Ã?«|O� pq:Ã?{gW ²C ¿!4[â??rLµ Ã?wUË?Nâ?¢x¾K CWà ì.%Æ?«ï/â?¦5# Ã?~ hmäO:(¬š< uðaÃ?Ã?ec j8 )eS`ãâ??â?¢Ã²Ã?¹áNÅ?Ã?=ur47Ã?E ),·\j�Ã?ìÃ?@ù«rÃ?ªÃ?Ã?Ã?â?¡Å¸Ã?1Zg|YÆ?¶1ÃsRâ?? â? pSË?ýiŸ5â?º1DAÅ &i�Ã?T Ã?¹BÃ?(·nªjù!÷!WÃ?¾Ã?Ã?$}ª6òÃ?â?¡Å¾ kÅ 91?Ë?.Å?â?¬Ã?X5þ Ã?þÃ?â??D �â?°I>Ã¥i3Ã?,µâ?¡F yÃ?m4ò¡�B#3õ¡¦Ã?UL 57â? 5°o²?$·XìY)\Ë?(´ña2½Ã? qhN£& â?°ÂçEZ Ã? b ¯ª¬i7V¨®tÃ?YÃ?ùLu>,&â? �> â?¢(Ã?Ã?Ã?)bbË?õ £,Ã?¡1�6 bþ·Ea¨(l·â?¬Ã¿mñ¡4â??Ã?[Q š�êüÃ?La PȻdX «â?ºX[)5Ã?Ã?W¿yÃ?(j` ,î )j Eâ??Ã?â??n]Ã]lâ??â??u�Ã?Bhâ?¦Ã½V Ã?¾l· t¸¯U¡â?¹ÂµÃºÃ?â?° ìC{g^axâ? ¢Ã? Ã½Hî ÿ"® b´¬šë�QÃ?N ¶4Æ?ìyYãÃ?Ã?«AÅ?dtk9þâ??Ã? .Å?öâ?¡7kJ9Ã?MÃ?[�´¾ "â?¡ÃªÂ©Â«Ã?Yã Ã?³îÃ?bì`¦Ã?bh§â??ô< Ã?Lb4îãM�£3 mE</-vüqï Ã?600î�uâ?¦Ã ><Ã?¦vÃ?Ã?;à �hº'Ã?hºkÃ?¨îdpæ' æó Ã?.úÃ?Ã?xd`öÃ?� ¤�k¶v8VÃ?,ncûûâ??f3Ã?Ã?ae&[;ì�Ã?¿OÃ?â?¢uÃ?Whò + Ã>-Ã?ä8V@pâ?¦Ã >t³Ã?;`ìâ?¬Â@£=16Ã?# Ã?Ã?â?°Ã?n=p â? :-¶�1Ã?â?¬Ã ]â??Ã?�îÃ?_ Ã?..` ´â?¹\ Ãb+*°fz맰fîéÃ?º â? p Ã?Ë?Ã?üâ??BáŸKÃ?á½üj140 Ã?mÃ?5 â??+â??÷¡ŸÃ?Ã?"-@·�M�5þnAÂ¥ ëž@N"` Ã?Å?{Ã?`äÃ?Ã?7 Ã?ûø& s Ã?ô³ÿ Ã?^Å? {�â?¹Ã¬Ã?2pÃ?Ã?o,pñWw^½=Ã?â? úRöh^v=tÃ?âÃ?lytâ?¢0û paúÃ?-S`\}¼Ž �B+Ã?Nâ?? @jû£0`®0â??" Å?d ¨Gâ??ª d]¼G  dÆ?pâ?¦ >$ü aø B$à RÅ¡â?¬# )žêëB,þÃ?â?°o!gA R1â?¬BûP UùtÃ?�ú j� Sžz ¸Bp zÃ?¹z»Pz² ½«¡ìâ?º<OÃ?Ã?3yžª °ï¸¯úLÃ?êâ?¬ µQ"oZèÃ?ú«@Ã?þ©Wè± Ã? Å?`à üâ??Â¥Uà $ Ã?00b4'}ç¡ ï,¯ô�â?¡Vâ?¬Ã Ã?}c °vÃ?hDrÃ?â?°PN¨Ã?�~â?¢Ã?14pÃ?Zl 'â?? ôÃ?�Ã?ô N³gâ??#qâ? â??/LÃ?d à >4pH.Ã?Ã? îR8Ã?| C!Ãâ? â??® S1¸Ã?Ã?¼tõâ?¦}Žw6Wâ??÷xât¼3%oñÃ?â?¹Ã?ñ7te Å?¢â?º8><>Ã?7¿áWÃ?�Ã?Ã?òÃ?h°>=ø;OÅ?Å?_ Ã?óâ?ºÂ£Ã°Ã»dû¨¢;Wsà áñÃ?â??oâ?¦Ã?èúîGëââ?°Ã¸Ã?;Ã?Ã?¯xâ??ì?ê� Š¬ÂÃãâ??/8�>^Ã?Ã?)â? ¯]¼7Ã?³|Ãâ??·g8Ã?êÂÃ?â< nÃ?úìmâ??Ã¥Ã?ðÆ?Ã?¾Ã?òÃãiON_ ~cmô\ Ã?o� pºû`åýCâ??å¯wOnâ?°,?¿> !Ã?Ã?öI\?>Ë?çÃ?Ã?z Ã¥Ã?Ã?à $Ã?�â?°GïO0ñ(¾S 7Ã?z �ŠÃ?ïÃ?¬â??OyâéÃ?â?¡Â¯/7x⟬â??¯pÃ?w¿ ïÃ?KWyþ/³R^Ã?� Ã?; Æ?ýl(qFã8Ã?B IEND®B`â?? -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-noway@spam.com) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general | |
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| 183090 | 2008-11-20 21:52:14.0 | Tom Lane wrote: > I got interested by Bruce's plot of PG email traffic here > http://momjian.us/main/img/pgincoming.gif > and decided to try to extend it into the past. The data I have > available is just my own incoming mail log, but being a pack-rat by > nature I have that back to April 1998. Attached is a graph of Postgres > list messages per month since then. I should note that this covers only > the mail lists I'm subscribed to, which has been most of them since > about 1999; but the first few numbers in this chart are undercounts by > comparison. Also, the very last dot is month-to-date for November and > so is an underestimate. > > So, to a first approximation, the PG list traffic has been constant > since 2000. Not the result I expected. Yes, I know Magnus did a graph for the PG-EU conference and it was also flat; perhaps he can post it here. His chart was pulled from the Postgres archives, so it is even more accurate than our graphs. I also was confused by its flatness. I am finding the email traffic almost impossible to continue tracking, so something different is happening, but it seems it is not volume-related. I am going to post another blog tomorrow with more thoughts. -- Bruce Momjian <noway@spam.com> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-noway@spam.com) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general |
| 183095 | 2008-11-20 22:04:39.0 | Bruce Momjian <noway@spam.com> writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> So, to a first approximation, the PG list traffic has been constant >> since 2000. Not the result I expected. > I also was confused by its flatness. I am finding the email traffic > almost impossible to continue tracking, so something different is > happening, but it seems it is not volume-related. Yes, my perception also is that it's getting harder and harder to keep up with the list traffic; so something is happening that a simple volume count doesn't capture. Does anyone have the data to break it down per mailing list? That might yield some more insight. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-noway@spam.com) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general |
| 183097 | 2008-11-20 22:10:51.0 | Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <noway@spam.com> writes: > > Tom Lane wrote: > >> So, to a first approximation, the PG list traffic has been constant > >> since 2000. Not the result I expected. > > > I also was confused by its flatness. I am finding the email traffic > > almost impossible to continue tracking, so something different is > > happening, but it seems it is not volume-related. > > Yes, my perception also is that it's getting harder and harder to keep > up with the list traffic; so something is happening that a simple > volume count doesn't capture. Agreed. I am struggling to put into words some of my angst, but I am concerned I will not be able to offer the same guarantees I have done in previous releases that every bug has been either fixed or added to the TODO list, and every submitted patch has been either applied or rejected. There, I said it. :-( -- Bruce Momjian <noway@spam.com> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-noway@spam.com) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general |